[GenABEL-dev] Using advertisements (and other ways) to sponsor GenABEL

Yurii Aulchenko yurii.aulchenko at gmail.com
Fri Oct 16 10:47:35 CEST 2015 

Maksim, thank you for valuable comments and suggestions! Yurii

> On 15 Oct 2015, at 14:26, L.C. Karssen <lennart at karssen.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Maksim,
> 
> Thank you for looking into this!
> 
> On 15-10-15 13:37, Maksim Struchalin wrote:
>> Hi Lennart,
>> 
>> Looks like the paypal works good for donation. Look at the donation
>> button which I have just created on my CV web site
>> (https://sites.google.com/site/maksimstruchalin/ <https://sites.google.com/site/maksimstruchalin/>). The button in the
>> bottom.
>> 
> 
> Nice! It seems to work indeed :-).
> 
>> Fee for such transactions is 3.4% + some cents
>> (https://www.paypal.com/nz/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_display-fees-outside <https://www.paypal.com/nz/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_display-fees-outside>).
>> 
>> I donated $1 to myself and it worked as promised.
>> 
>> You will might want to create a buisness account (I used "premier" in
>> this case).
> 
> OK, I will look into it.
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Lennart.
> 
>> 
>> Maksim
>> 
>> On 15/10/2015 22:34, Maksim Struchalin wrote:
>>> Hi Lennart,
>>> 
>>> I studied this issue a couple of years ago and my undertanding was at
>>> that time that there are many companies which provide such service
>>> because there are millions small internet shops in web. They make
>>> profit from taking about 5% from each transcation (not much). This
>>> might be usfull:
>>> https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/get-started/donate-button . Also,
>>> you might adviertise this work on one of many websites where
>>> freelancers search their jobs and some of them might do it for say
>>> $50-$100-$200 (I can do it for $1000 :-) ).
>>> 
>>> p.s. As alterntive, you can make it very simple: Advertises my bank
>>> account number on genabel.org as account number for all donations and
>>> I will take care of the rest :-).
>>> 
>>> good luck,
>>> Maksim
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 15/10/2015 21:10, L.C. Karssen wrote:
>>>> Hi Maksim, Yurii,
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for your input in the discussion.
>>>> 
>>>> On 15-10-15 09:44, Yurii Aulchenko wrote:
>>>>> I agree with Maksim - this is very handy how wikipedia does that. In case people are willing to donate, it should be very simple to do - otherwise people will not do this (my personal experience :))
>>>>> 
>>>> Sounds like a good option to me too, I hadn't thought of that.
>>>> My question with this option is how payments are processed. Is there a
>>>> company that provides this kind of button+service? And what do they charge?
>>>> For Google and Gratipay I already found those details.
>>>> 
>>>> The nice thing about Gratipay and BountySource.com is that you can more
>>>> directly show/inform the audience what the money will be used for. With
>>>> a donate button and Google Ads that is not so easy.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Lennart.
>>>> 
>>>>> Yurii
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 15 Oct 2015, at 00:57, Maksim Struchalin <m.v.struchalin at mail.ru> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Lennart & Yurii,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The first thing I would do is to introduce a "donation button" in www.genabel.org like on wikipedia. So user can type his/her credit card info and donate some money. I donated some money to wikipedia recently and could do it very quickly through their donation button. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Maksim
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my phone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 15 окт. 2015 г., at 1:20, "L.C. Karssen" <l.c.karssen at polyomica.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dear list,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As you may have noticed over the past year(s) the contributions to the
>>>>>>> GenABEL project by Yurii and myself have steadily declined. The main
>>>>>>> reason for this is simple: lack of funding. We have started our own
>>>>>>> consulting business and although we have tried to include GenABEL into
>>>>>>> grant applications wherever we could, we haven't been able to secure any
>>>>>>> funds for this.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On the other side of the balance we do have some fixed costs related to
>>>>>>> the hosting of the genabel.org website (and some flexible costs related
>>>>>>> to its maintenance).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We therefore propose the following:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 1) Given that www.genabel.org does receive a reasonable number of
>>>>>>> visitors per month we would like to add Google Ads to the pages. This
>>>>>>> may not generate a lot of revenue but anything many small bits can help
>>>>>>> (see e.g. [1]).
>>>>>>> Of course this will lead to a change in layout of the site, but we will
>>>>>>> try to make this a minimally disruptive as possible so as not to harm
>>>>>>> the user experience.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Of course we understand that this can/should lead to a discussion about
>>>>>>> who owns/takes care of the incoming funds. We could set up a foundation
>>>>>>> under Dutch law to take care of that. However, that would require around
>>>>>>> €3500 per year in accounting/reporting costs, etc. which is much more
>>>>>>> than we can invest (and more than we expect to earn from the ads).
>>>>>>> Therefore we would like to propose the following: Being the main sponsor
>>>>>>> of the Project PolyOmica will manage the funds (any payment will go to
>>>>>>> our bank account), and as part of our open policy we will provide a
>>>>>>> regular (quarterly? annual?) report to the community of the income
>>>>>>> generated and how it was spent (see e.g [2]). Any money that remains
>>>>>>> after covering these basic costs can be used to fund further development
>>>>>>> of the GenABEL Suite packages (maybe via one of the options listed below).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We also thought of some alternative ways of generating some income:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2) Add a channel on bountysource.com [3]
>>>>>>> 3) Make the GenABEL Project a Team on Gratipay (formerly GitTip) [1,2,4,5]
>>>>>>> 4) Join http://flattr.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Does anyone have experience with any of these micropayment/crowdfunding
>>>>>>> providers?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Please let us know what you think of these ideas. We would really love
>>>>>>> to make the Project more vibrant and sustainable than it currently is!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Lennart & Yurii.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>> http://blogs.perl.org/users/peter_rabbitson/2014/02/i-bought-a-weekly-round-for-my-friends.html
>>>>>>> [2] http://inside.gratipay.com/appendices/finances
>>>>>>> [3] https://salt.bountysource.com
>>>>>>> [4] https://gratipay.com/
>>>>>>> [5] https://medium.com/gratipay-blog/gratipay-2-0-2453d3c53077
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> PolyOmica
>>>>>>> Groningen
>>>>>>> The Netherlands
>>>>>>> 
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