<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Maksim, thank you for valuable comments and suggestions! Yurii<div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 15 Oct 2015, at 14:26, L.C. Karssen <<a href="mailto:lennart@karssen.org" class="">lennart@karssen.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Hi Maksim,</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Thank you for looking into this!</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">On 15-10-15 13:37, Maksim Struchalin wrote:</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Hi Lennart,<br class=""><br class="">Looks like the paypal works good for donation. Look at the donation<br class="">button which I have just created on my CV web site<br class="">(<a href="https://sites.google.com/site/maksimstruchalin/" class="">https://sites.google.com/site/maksimstruchalin/</a>). The button in the<br class="">bottom.<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Nice! It seems to work indeed :-).</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Fee for such transactions is 3.4% + some cents<br class="">(<a href="https://www.paypal.com/nz/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_display-fees-outside" class="">https://www.paypal.com/nz/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_display-fees-outside</a>).<br class=""><br class="">I donated $1 to myself and it worked as promised.<br class=""><br class="">You will might want to create a buisness account (I used "premier" in<br class="">this case).<br class=""></blockquote><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">OK, I will look into it.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Best,</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Lennart.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class="">Maksim<br class=""><br class="">On 15/10/2015 22:34, Maksim Struchalin wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Hi Lennart,<br class=""><br class="">I studied this issue a couple of years ago and my undertanding was at<br class="">that time that there are many companies which provide such service<br class="">because there are millions small internet shops in web. They make<br class="">profit from taking about 5% from each transcation (not much). This<br class="">might be usfull:<br class=""><a href="https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/get-started/donate-button" class="">https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/get-started/donate-button</a> . Also,<br class="">you might adviertise this work on one of many websites where<br class="">freelancers search their jobs and some of them might do it for say<br class="">$50-$100-$200 (I can do it for $1000 :-) ).<br class=""><br class="">p.s. As alterntive, you can make it very simple: Advertises my bank<br class="">account number on <a href="http://genabel.org" class="">genabel.org</a> as account number for all donations and<br class="">I will take care of the rest :-).<br class=""><br class="">good luck,<br class="">Maksim<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On 15/10/2015 21:10, L.C. Karssen wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Hi Maksim, Yurii,<br class=""><br class="">Thanks for your input in the discussion.<br class=""><br class="">On 15-10-15 09:44, Yurii Aulchenko wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">I agree with Maksim - this is very handy how wikipedia does that. In case people are willing to donate, it should be very simple to do - otherwise people will not do this (my personal experience :))<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote>Sounds like a good option to me too, I hadn't thought of that.<br class="">My question with this option is how payments are processed. Is there a<br class="">company that provides this kind of button+service? And what do they charge?<br class="">For Google and Gratipay I already found those details.<br class=""><br class="">The nice thing about Gratipay and <a href="http://bountysource.com" class="">BountySource.com</a> is that you can more<br class="">directly show/inform the audience what the money will be used for. With<br class="">a donate button and Google Ads that is not so easy.<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Lennart.<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Yurii<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On 15 Oct 2015, at 00:57, Maksim Struchalin <<a href="mailto:m.v.struchalin@mail.ru" class="">m.v.struchalin@mail.ru</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Hi Lennart & Yurii,<br class=""><br class="">The first thing I would do is to introduce a "donation button" in <a href="http://www.genabel.org" class="">www.genabel.org</a> like on wikipedia. So user can type his/her credit card info and donate some money. I donated some money to wikipedia recently and could do it very quickly through their donation button.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">Maksim<br class=""><br class="">Sent from my phone<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On 15 окт. 2015 г., at 1:20, "L.C. Karssen" <<a href="mailto:l.c.karssen@polyomica.com" class="">l.c.karssen@polyomica.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Dear list,<br class=""><br class="">As you may have noticed over the past year(s) the contributions to the<br class="">GenABEL project by Yurii and myself have steadily declined. The main<br class="">reason for this is simple: lack of funding. We have started our own<br class="">consulting business and although we have tried to include GenABEL into<br class="">grant applications wherever we could, we haven't been able to secure any<br class="">funds for this.<br class=""><br class="">On the other side of the balance we do have some fixed costs related to<br class="">the hosting of the <a href="http://genabel.org" class="">genabel.org</a> website (and some flexible costs related<br class="">to its maintenance).<br class=""><br class="">We therefore propose the following:<br class=""><br class="">1) Given that <a href="http://www.genabel.org" class="">www.genabel.org</a> does receive a reasonable number of<br class="">visitors per month we would like to add Google Ads to the pages. This<br class="">may not generate a lot of revenue but anything many small bits can help<br class="">(see e.g. [1]).<br class="">Of course this will lead to a change in layout of the site, but we will<br class="">try to make this a minimally disruptive as possible so as not to harm<br class="">the user experience.<br class=""><br class="">Of course we understand that this can/should lead to a discussion about<br class="">who owns/takes care of the incoming funds. We could set up a foundation<br class="">under Dutch law to take care of that. However, that would require around<br class="">€3500 per year in accounting/reporting costs, etc. which is much more<br class="">than we can invest (and more than we expect to earn from the ads).<br class="">Therefore we would like to propose the following: Being the main sponsor<br class="">of the Project PolyOmica will manage the funds (any payment will go to<br class="">our bank account), and as part of our open policy we will provide a<br class="">regular (quarterly? annual?) report to the community of the income<br class="">generated and how it was spent (see e.g [2]). Any money that remains<br class="">after covering these basic costs can be used to fund further development<br class="">of the GenABEL Suite packages (maybe via one of the options listed below).<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">We also thought of some alternative ways of generating some income:<br class=""><br class="">2) Add a channel on <a href="http://bountysource.com" class="">bountysource.com</a> [3]<br class="">3) Make the GenABEL Project a Team on Gratipay (formerly GitTip) [1,2,4,5]<br class="">4) Join <a href="http://flattr.com" class="">http://flattr.com</a><br class=""><br class="">Does anyone have experience with any of these micropayment/crowdfunding<br class="">providers?<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Please let us know what you think of these ideas. We would really love<br class="">to make the Project more vibrant and sustainable than it currently is!<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Lennart & Yurii.<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">[1]<br class=""><a href="http://blogs.perl.org/users/peter_rabbitson/2014/02/i-bought-a-weekly-round-for-my-friends.html" class="">http://blogs.perl.org/users/peter_rabbitson/2014/02/i-bought-a-weekly-round-for-my-friends.html</a><br class="">[2] http://inside.gratipay.com/appendices/finances<br class="">[3] https://salt.bountysource.com<br class="">[4] https://gratipay.com/<br class="">[5] https://medium.com/gratipay-blog/gratipay-2-0-2453d3c53077<br class=""><br class="">--<br class="">*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*<br class="">Lennart C. 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