[GenABEL-dev] Using advertisements (and other ways) to sponsor GenABEL

Thu Oct 15 14:26:56 CEST 2015

Hi Maksim,

Thank you for looking into this!

On 15-10-15 13:37, Maksim Struchalin wrote:
> Hi Lennart,
> 
> Looks like the paypal works good for donation. Look at the donation
> button which I have just created on my CV web site
> (https://sites.google.com/site/maksimstruchalin/). The button in the
> bottom.
> 

Nice! It seems to work indeed :-).

> Fee for such transactions is 3.4% + some cents
> (https://www.paypal.com/nz/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_display-fees-outside).
>  
> I donated $1 to myself and it worked as promised.
> 
> You will might want to create a buisness account (I used "premier" in
> this case).

OK, I will look into it.

Best,

Lennart.

> 
> Maksim
> 
> On 15/10/2015 22:34, Maksim Struchalin wrote:
>> Hi Lennart,
>>
>> I studied this issue a couple of years ago and my undertanding was at
>> that time that there are many companies which provide such service
>> because there are millions small internet shops in web. They make
>> profit from taking about 5% from each transcation (not much). This
>> might be usfull:
>> https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/get-started/donate-button . Also,
>> you might adviertise this work on one of many websites where
>> freelancers search their jobs and some of them might do it for say
>> $50-$100-$200 (I can do it for $1000 :-) ).
>>
>> p.s. As alterntive, you can make it very simple: Advertises my bank
>> account number on genabel.org as account number for all donations and
>> I will take care of the rest :-).
>>
>> good luck,
>> Maksim
>>
>>
>>
>> On 15/10/2015 21:10, L.C. Karssen wrote:
>>> Hi Maksim, Yurii,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your input in the discussion.
>>>
>>> On 15-10-15 09:44, Yurii Aulchenko wrote:
>>>> I agree with Maksim - this is very handy how wikipedia does that. In case people are willing to donate, it should be very simple to do - otherwise people will not do this (my personal experience :))
>>>>
>>> Sounds like a good option to me too, I hadn't thought of that.
>>> My question with this option is how payments are processed. Is there a
>>> company that provides this kind of button+service? And what do they charge?
>>> For Google and Gratipay I already found those details.
>>>
>>> The nice thing about Gratipay and BountySource.com is that you can more
>>> directly show/inform the audience what the money will be used for. With
>>> a donate button and Google Ads that is not so easy.
>>>
>>>
>>> Lennart.
>>>
>>>> Yurii
>>>>
>>>>> On 15 Oct 2015, at 00:57, Maksim Struchalin <m.v.struchalin at mail.ru> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Lennart & Yurii,
>>>>>
>>>>> The first thing I would do is to introduce a "donation button" in www.genabel.org like on wikipedia. So user can type his/her credit card info and donate some money. I donated some money to wikipedia recently and could do it very quickly through their donation button. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Maksim
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my phone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15 окт. 2015 г., at 1:20, "L.C. Karssen" <l.c.karssen at polyomica.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear list,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As you may have noticed over the past year(s) the contributions to the
>>>>>> GenABEL project by Yurii and myself have steadily declined. The main
>>>>>> reason for this is simple: lack of funding. We have started our own
>>>>>> consulting business and although we have tried to include GenABEL into
>>>>>> grant applications wherever we could, we haven't been able to secure any
>>>>>> funds for this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the other side of the balance we do have some fixed costs related to
>>>>>> the hosting of the genabel.org website (and some flexible costs related
>>>>>> to its maintenance).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We therefore propose the following:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Given that www.genabel.org does receive a reasonable number of
>>>>>> visitors per month we would like to add Google Ads to the pages. This
>>>>>> may not generate a lot of revenue but anything many small bits can help
>>>>>> (see e.g. [1]).
>>>>>> Of course this will lead to a change in layout of the site, but we will
>>>>>> try to make this a minimally disruptive as possible so as not to harm
>>>>>> the user experience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course we understand that this can/should lead to a discussion about
>>>>>> who owns/takes care of the incoming funds. We could set up a foundation
>>>>>> under Dutch law to take care of that. However, that would require around
>>>>>> €3500 per year in accounting/reporting costs, etc. which is much more
>>>>>> than we can invest (and more than we expect to earn from the ads).
>>>>>> Therefore we would like to propose the following: Being the main sponsor
>>>>>> of the Project PolyOmica will manage the funds (any payment will go to
>>>>>> our bank account), and as part of our open policy we will provide a
>>>>>> regular (quarterly? annual?) report to the community of the income
>>>>>> generated and how it was spent (see e.g [2]). Any money that remains
>>>>>> after covering these basic costs can be used to fund further development
>>>>>> of the GenABEL Suite packages (maybe via one of the options listed below).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We also thought of some alternative ways of generating some income:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) Add a channel on bountysource.com [3]
>>>>>> 3) Make the GenABEL Project a Team on Gratipay (formerly GitTip) [1,2,4,5]
>>>>>> 4) Join http://flattr.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone have experience with any of these micropayment/crowdfunding
>>>>>> providers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please let us know what you think of these ideas. We would really love
>>>>>> to make the Project more vibrant and sustainable than it currently is!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lennart & Yurii.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>> http://blogs.perl.org/users/peter_rabbitson/2014/02/i-bought-a-weekly-round-for-my-friends.html
>>>>>> [2] http://inside.gratipay.com/appendices/finances
>>>>>> [3] https://salt.bountysource.com
>>>>>> [4] https://gratipay.com/
>>>>>> [5] https://medium.com/gratipay-blog/gratipay-2-0-2453d3c53077
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Lennart C. Karssen
>>>>>> PolyOmica
>>>>>> Groningen
>>>>>> The Netherlands
>>>>>>
>>>>>> l.c.karssen at polyomica.com
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