[GenABEL-dev] Using advertisements (and other ways) to sponsor GenABEL

Fri Oct 16 12:04:52 CEST 2015

My pleasure.
Maksim

On 16/10/2015 21:47, Yurii Aulchenko wrote:
> Maksim, thank you for valuable comments and suggestions! Yurii
>
>> On 15 Oct 2015, at 14:26, L.C. Karssen <lennart at karssen.org 
>> <mailto:lennart at karssen.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Maksim,
>>
>> Thank you for looking into this!
>>
>> On 15-10-15 13:37, Maksim Struchalin wrote:
>>> Hi Lennart,
>>>
>>> Looks like the paypal works good for donation. Look at the donation
>>> button which I have just created on my CV web site
>>> (https://sites.google.com/site/maksimstruchalin/). The button in the
>>> bottom.
>>>
>>
>> Nice! It seems to work indeed :-).
>>
>>> Fee for such transactions is 3.4% + some cents
>>> (https://www.paypal.com/nz/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_display-fees-outside).
>>>
>>> I donated $1 to myself and it worked as promised.
>>>
>>> You will might want to create a buisness account (I used "premier" in
>>> this case).
>>
>> OK, I will look into it.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Lennart.
>>
>>>
>>> Maksim
>>>
>>> On 15/10/2015 22:34, Maksim Struchalin wrote:
>>>> Hi Lennart,
>>>>
>>>> I studied this issue a couple of years ago and my undertanding was at
>>>> that time that there are many companies which provide such service
>>>> because there are millions small internet shops in web. They make
>>>> profit from taking about 5% from each transcation (not much). This
>>>> might be usfull:
>>>> https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/get-started/donate-button . Also,
>>>> you might adviertise this work on one of many websites where
>>>> freelancers search their jobs and some of them might do it for say
>>>> $50-$100-$200 (I can do it for $1000 :-) ).
>>>>
>>>> p.s. As alterntive, you can make it very simple: Advertises my bank
>>>> account number on genabel.org <http://genabel.org> as account 
>>>> number for all donations and
>>>> I will take care of the rest :-).
>>>>
>>>> good luck,
>>>> Maksim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 15/10/2015 21:10, L.C. Karssen wrote:
>>>>> Hi Maksim, Yurii,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your input in the discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15-10-15 09:44, Yurii Aulchenko wrote:
>>>>>> I agree with Maksim - this is very handy how wikipedia does that. 
>>>>>> In case people are willing to donate, it should be very simple to 
>>>>>> do - otherwise people will not do this (my personal experience :))
>>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds like a good option to me too, I hadn't thought of that.
>>>>> My question with this option is how payments are processed. Is there a
>>>>> company that provides this kind of button+service? And what do 
>>>>> they charge?
>>>>> For Google and Gratipay I already found those details.
>>>>>
>>>>> The nice thing about Gratipay and BountySource.com 
>>>>> <http://bountysource.com> is that you can more
>>>>> directly show/inform the audience what the money will be used for. 
>>>>> With
>>>>> a donate button and Google Ads that is not so easy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Lennart.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yurii
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15 Oct 2015, at 00:57, Maksim Struchalin 
>>>>>>> <m.v.struchalin at mail.ru <mailto:m.v.struchalin at mail.ru>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Lennart & Yurii,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The first thing I would do is to introduce a "donation button" 
>>>>>>> in www.genabel.org <http://www.genabel.org> like on wikipedia. 
>>>>>>> So user can type his/her credit card info and donate some money. 
>>>>>>> I donated some money to wikipedia recently and could do it very 
>>>>>>> quickly through their donation button.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maksim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my phone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 15 ???. 2015 ?., at 1:20, "L.C. Karssen" 
>>>>>>>> <l.c.karssen at polyomica.com <mailto:l.c.karssen at polyomica.com>> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear list,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As you may have noticed over the past year(s) the contributions 
>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>> GenABEL project by Yurii and myself have steadily declined. The 
>>>>>>>> main
>>>>>>>> reason for this is simple: lack of funding. We have started our own
>>>>>>>> consulting business and although we have tried to include 
>>>>>>>> GenABEL into
>>>>>>>> grant applications wherever we could, we haven't been able to 
>>>>>>>> secure any
>>>>>>>> funds for this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On the other side of the balance we do have some fixed costs 
>>>>>>>> related to
>>>>>>>> the hosting of the genabel.org <http://genabel.org> website 
>>>>>>>> (and some flexible costs related
>>>>>>>> to its maintenance).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We therefore propose the following:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1) Given that www.genabel.org <http://www.genabel.org> does 
>>>>>>>> receive a reasonable number of
>>>>>>>> visitors per month we would like to add Google Ads to the 
>>>>>>>> pages. This
>>>>>>>> may not generate a lot of revenue but anything many small bits 
>>>>>>>> can help
>>>>>>>> (see e.g. [1]).
>>>>>>>> Of course this will lead to a change in layout of the site, but 
>>>>>>>> we will
>>>>>>>> try to make this a minimally disruptive as possible so as not 
>>>>>>>> to harm
>>>>>>>> the user experience.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course we understand that this can/should lead to a 
>>>>>>>> discussion about
>>>>>>>> who owns/takes care of the incoming funds. We could set up a 
>>>>>>>> foundation
>>>>>>>> under Dutch law to take care of that. However, that would 
>>>>>>>> require around
>>>>>>>> EUR3500 per year in accounting/reporting costs, etc. which is 
>>>>>>>> much more
>>>>>>>> than we can invest (and more than we expect to earn from the ads).
>>>>>>>> Therefore we would like to propose the following: Being the 
>>>>>>>> main sponsor
>>>>>>>> of the Project PolyOmica will manage the funds (any payment 
>>>>>>>> will go to
>>>>>>>> our bank account), and as part of our open policy we will provide a
>>>>>>>> regular (quarterly? annual?) report to the community of the income
>>>>>>>> generated and how it was spent (see e.g [2]). Any money that 
>>>>>>>> remains
>>>>>>>> after covering these basic costs can be used to fund further 
>>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>>> of the GenABEL Suite packages (maybe via one of the options 
>>>>>>>> listed below).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We also thought of some alternative ways of generating some income:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2) Add a channel on bountysource.com <http://bountysource.com> [3]
>>>>>>>> 3) Make the GenABEL Project a Team on Gratipay (formerly 
>>>>>>>> GitTip) [1,2,4,5]
>>>>>>>> 4) Join http://flattr.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does anyone have experience with any of these 
>>>>>>>> micropayment/crowdfunding
>>>>>>>> providers?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please let us know what you think of these ideas. We would 
>>>>>>>> really love
>>>>>>>> to make the Project more vibrant and sustainable than it 
>>>>>>>> currently is!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lennart & Yurii.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>> http://blogs.perl.org/users/peter_rabbitson/2014/02/i-bought-a-weekly-round-for-my-friends.html
>>>>>>>> [2] http://inside.gratipay.com/appendices/finances
>>>>>>>> [3] https://salt.bountysource.com
>>>>>>>> [4] https://gratipay.com/
>>>>>>>> [5] https://medium.com/gratipay-blog/gratipay-2-0-2453d3c53077
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> Lennart C. Karssen
>>>>>>>> PolyOmica
>>>>>>>> Groningen
>>>>>>>> The Netherlands
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> l.c.karssen at polyomica.com
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