[FLR-list] size

Ernesto ernesto.jardim at jrc.ec.europa.eu
Wed May 22 14:55:38 CEST 2013


In fact this is consistent with sampling practices that measure 
individuals to the "lowest cm".

Best

EJ

On 05/22/2013 02:54 PM, Ernesto wrote:
> It won't work in several situations and IMO trying to find a solution 
> for all doesn't work. We need to find a solution that works and 
> implement methods for the others. We may try to be consistent with 
> "age" and use [10,11) represented by "10" in the length names.
>
> Best
>
> EJ
>
> On 05/22/2013 02:43 PM, Laurie Kell wrote:
>> but wont work with age slicing which is based on > & <=.
>>
>> Laurie
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Ernesto 
>> <ernesto.jardim at jrc.ec.europa.eu 
>> <mailto:ernesto.jardim at jrc.ec.europa.eu>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi,
>>
>>     Yes, that is a problem that we need to sort out. I'm considering
>>     using midpoints. It has the advantage of being easy to coerce
>>     into numeric. In most cases that's what one needs for
>>     computations. Using boundaries will require other(s) operation(s)
>>     to get midpoints.
>>
>>     Best
>>
>>     EJ
>>
>>
>>     On 05/22/2013 02:23 PM, Laurie Kell wrote:
>>>     There is an issue, boring but may be important to agree on now,
>>>     i.e. labeling of length bins.
>>>
>>>     What does a length bin mean, i.e. if the "quant" dim represents
>>>     length? and the values are 5, 10, ...?
>>>
>>>     In the mixdist package these are the righthand boundaries i.e.
>>>     they represent (0,5] and (5,10]. But if they are the lefthand
>>>     boundaries then they represent (5,10] and (10,INF]. Or they
>>>     could be midpoints. One option would be to explicitly label the
>>>     bins with the boundaries and then have methods for going
>>>     backwards and forwards between parametric and non-parametric
>>>     methods. Or to have an attribute that tracks the properties.
>>>
>>>     Otherwise I can see a lot of time being wasted in stock
>>>     assessments. well more than normal.
>>>     Laurie
>>>
>>>
>>>     On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Ernesto
>>>     <ernesto.jardim at jrc.ec.europa.eu
>>>     <mailto:ernesto.jardim at jrc.ec.europa.eu>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         On 05/22/2013 12:02 PM, Ernesto wrote:
>>>
>>>             On 05/22/2013 11:34 AM, Sarah Kraak wrote:
>>>
>>>                 Hi FLR-guys,
>>>
>>>                 As you know I am not an active FLR user, but last
>>>                 year I showed some interest in whether you have
>>>                 size-based stuff in FLR (see attached email). In the
>>>                 meanwhile Coilin Minto and myself have been working
>>>                 on something (also attached - note this is a draft
>>>                 of the idea; at the moment we are working on the
>>>                 code to get the final graphs out) which we are
>>>                 coding in R but which could/should eventually been
>>>                 done in FLR. Perhaps you are interested.
>>>
>>>                 Cheers,
>>>                 Sarah
>>>
>>>
>>>             Hi,
>>>
>>>             Following Laurie's suggestion I've started a git
>>>             repository for length
>>>             methods in FLRhttps://github.com/ejardim/FLMethLen
>>>             <http://github.com/ejardim/FLMethLen>
>>>
>>>             Maybe our first task should be o write down what we're
>>>             doing with length
>>>             data. Laurie's working on ALKs, so I guess you're
>>>             interested in
>>>             converting length frequencies to ages for stock
>>>             assessment !? We (a4a)
>>>             are working on OMs and how to generate them from length
>>>             based data so
>>>             that uncertainty on the growth model can be included in
>>>             the MSE. Sarah
>>>             and Colin Minto are working on selectivity. What else ?
>>>
>>>             Best
>>>
>>>             EJ
>>>
>>>         Hi,
>>>
>>>         I've updated the readme to reflect the latest messages.
>>>
>>>
>>>         EJ
>>>
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