[GenABEL-dev] layout of GenABEL main page

Diego Fabregat fabregat at aices.rwth-aachen.de
Tue Apr 30 12:14:32 CEST 2013 

Hi all,

If I'm allowed some criticism to the logo, even though I like the fusion of 
the G and the DNA, it may compromise its readability. Unfortunately, I don't 
have any better idea.

In any case, great job. And  yes, it sounds like a good plan.

On Monday 29 April 2013 22:15:20 Yurii Aulchenko wrote:
> Agree.
> 
> We have discussed this a bit during EMGM-2013 with Lennart and Nicola, and
> our suggestion (N, L, please correct me if I am wrong) is to
> 
> 1) Pick up Maarten's variant
> 
> 2) Replace "project" with "Statistical Genomics" as suggested below
> 
> 3) Send this to a professional designer to make it 'nice' (I am willing to
> pay it unless it is too expensive)
> 
> And of cause the logo can evolve later on if we get better ideas :)
> 
> Please let us know what you think.
> 
> YA
> 
> On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 11:09 PM, L.C. Karssen <lennart at karssen.org> wrote:
> > Short is better in marketing, so in that sense I agree with Maarten and
> > Yurii. But it should cover what we do in/with the project.
> > What about:
> > 
> > GenABEL
> > Statistical Genetics
> > 
> > 
> > Methodology is too "open", our project is focused on statistical
> > genetics (in all its aspects, from methodology development to
> > implementation and user support, but the core is about analysing genetic
> > data).
> > 
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > Lennart.
> > 
> > On 20/04/13 18:22, Yurii Aulchenko wrote:
> > > Dear All,
> > > 
> > > I now tend to agree with Maarten. I have discussed the logos with a
> > > couple of people who know more about design, and it seems that
> > > introducing Greek letters, 0/1 etc may be bad idea - the logo must be
> > > simple. So if we want to deliver extra message it should probably go
> > > to "subheading". The subheading "project" does not carry much info, I
> > > think. I personally like the "statistical toolkit", but I think it may
> > > miss the point that the idea of the project is a bit broader than the
> > > software.
> > > 
> > > So, on the top of Maarten's suggestions, what about:
> > > 
> > > - methodology project
> > > - open methodology
> > > - methodological toolbox
> > > - methodology
> > > - agile methodology
> > > 
> > > YA
> > > ----------------------
> > > Yurii Aulchenko
> > > (sent from mobile device)
> > > 
> > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 09:18, Maarten Kooyman <kooyman at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> I think a logo must deliver the message in one go. I think it misses
> > >> is
> > 
> > goal if you have to play "where is Waldo?" in a logo: the simpler the
> > better. Adding some greek symbols somewhere increase the "where is
> > Waldo?"-effect.
> > 
> > >> Maybe it is a idea to replace "project" with "Statistical toolkit" or
> > 
> > "statistics project"(or is this plainly rude?)
> > 
> > >> Maarten
> > >> 
> > >> On 04/11/2013 11:46 PM, Nicola Pirastu wrote:
> > >>> I think that the greek letters are a good idea although in GenABEL
> > 
> > would look very much the same, maybe in project?
> > 
> > >>> N.
> > >>> 
> > >>> Inviato da iPhone
> > >>> 
> > >>> Il giorno 11/apr/2013, alle ore 23:34, Yurii Aulchenko <
> > 
> > yurii.aulchenko at gmail.com> ha scritto:
> > >>>> What about replacing some letters with Greek ones - this may give
> > >>>> some math flavor?
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> YA
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> ----------------------
> > >>>> Yurii Aulchenko
> > >>>> (sent from mobile device)
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> On 11 Apr 2013, at 22:14, "L.C. Karssen" <lennart at karssen.org> wrote:
> > >>>>> Not bad! I really like the way you mixed the G and the DNA.
> > >>>>> Can't we make a combination with Nicola's creation so that we get
> > 
> > some
> > 
> > >>>>> math in as well? That would nicely integrate two major components
> > >>>>> of
> > 
> > the
> > 
> > >>>>> project (only programming would be missing).
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> Lennart
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> On 11/04/13 21:39, Maarten Kooyman wrote:
> > >>>>>> Dear All,
> > >>>>>> 
> > >>>>>> I made also a small sketch of a logo. It is pretty raw, colours
> > >>>>>> are wrong , etcetera, etcetera.
> > >>>>>> 
> > >>>>>> To quote Nicola:
> > >>>>>> " If you hate it or think it should go in another direction, I'm
> > >>>>>> not touchy so please do tell me. "
> > >>>>>> 
> > >>>>>> 
> > >>>>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>>> 
> > >>>>>> Maarten
> > >>>>>> 
> > >>>>>> On 04/06/2013 01:36 AM, Nicola Pirastu wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Dear all,
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> I gave a shot at the logo, it's very simple. Let me know if you
> > 
> > like
> > 
> > >>>>>>> the general idea, if you'd like to add something or change it.
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> As colors I've sticked to those of the website but they can be
> > >>>>>>> changed. Also the pattern for the formulas have some white
> > >>>>>>> spaces,
> > 
> > but
> > 
> > >>>>>>> this is just a quick draft.
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> If you hate it or think it should go in another direction, I'm
> > >>>>>>> not touchy so please do tell me.
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> Best.
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> Nicola
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> Dear all,
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>> I really like the proposal, I just to add a few ideas to the
> > 
> > discussion.
> > 
> > >>>>>>>> I think that there are some important concepts that could be
> > >>>>>>>> used
> > 
> > for
> > 
> > >>>>>>>> a logo:
> > >>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>> 1) ABEL which is able in the end could be something like a
> > >>>>>>>> hammer
> > 
> > or a
> > 
> > >>>>>>>> tool of some sort.
> > >>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>> 2) I think that the great thing about the *ABEL project is that
> > 
> > it is not
> > 
> > >>>>>>>> a single group but it is a network of people and we could
> > 
> > rappresent that
> > 
> > >>>>>>>> also.
> > >>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>> 3) the * in *ABEL could be made by two crossed Chromosomes or
> > 
> > something
> > 
> > >>>>>>>> else or maybe a DNA strand a tool and something else (Although I
> > 
> > do
> > 
> > >>>>>>>> realize that it could remind of the comunist party this way :)
> > >>>>>>>> ).
> > >>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>> 4) I do like animals, but I it should be meanigful somehow
> > 
> > (although
> > 
> > >>>>>>>> Linux
> > >>>>>>>> does have a penguin for some obscure reason).
> > >>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>> Best
> > >>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>> Nicola
> > >>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>> Dear Maarten,
> > >>>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>> I have also some irritation about the fact that there is no
> > 
> > recognisable
> > 
> > >>>>>>>>>> logo on the page. I looks like a complete default page to me:
> > which
> > 
> > >>>>>>>>>> gives
> > >>>>>>>>>> me the impression that there is not any on it. Does someone
> > >>>>>>>>>> has graphical
> > >>>>>>>>>> skills to create a nice logo which we can use on the site,
> > 
> > posters or
> > 
> > >>>>>>>>>> presentations? Having a neat logo, is like wearing a suite:
> > people
> > 
> > >>>>>>>>>> think
> > >>>>>>>>>> at
> > >>>>>>>>>> first sight you are more trustworthy,intelligent etc ect. ;)
> > >>>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>> Completely agree and fully support the idea! I even tried to
> > 
> > design
> > 
> > >>>>>>>>> something myself, but it was SO bad :)
> > >>>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>> Part of the problem is that obvious meaningful symbols (like
> > >>>>>>>>> chromosomes,
> > >>>>>>>>> sigmas and Gaussians) are boring and used for long time.
> > >>>>>>>>> Another
> > 
> > part is
> > 
> > >>>>>>>>> that we can not just pick say a cute kitty and stop - there
> > 
> > should
> > 
> > >>>>>>>>> be some
> > >>>>>>>>> meaning to the symbol (or not?).
> > >>>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>> Do we have examples of successful, recognizable logos we like?I
> > 
> > like
> > 
> > >>>>>>>>> FreeBSD, GNU's Gnu, also Firefox and Chrome are very
> > 
> > distinguished.
> > 
> > >>>>>>>>> Yurii
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