<div dir="ltr">Hi Dr. Dotsch,<div><br></div><div>Thank you very much for all your attention. I could download it now without a problem and it works perfectly!</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"><font color="#000000">Erdem Ozan Meral</font><br style="color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:12.8000001907349px"></font><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;color:rgb(136,136,136)"><font face="monospace, monospace" style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Boğaziçi University</font></div><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;color:rgb(136,136,136)"><font face="monospace, monospace" style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Department of Psychology</font></div><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;color:rgb(136,136,136)"><font face="monospace, monospace" style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Research & Teaching Assistant</font></div><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;color:rgb(136,136,136)"><font color="#0000ee" face="monospace, monospace"><u><a href="http://www.psychology.boun.edu.tr/" target="_blank">www.psychology.boun.edu.tr</a></u></font></div></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Dotsch, R. (Ron) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:R.Dotsch@uu.nl" target="_blank">R.Dotsch@uu.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Hi Erdem,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">My mistake. Please try the same link again.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Best,<u></u><u></u></span></p><span class="">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Ron<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(145,145,145)">Ron Dotsch, PhD</span></b><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(145,145,145)"> | Associate Professor | Utrecht University | Department of Psychology | Office:
Langeveld H1.11, Heidelberglaan 1 | Phone: <a href="tel:%2B31%2030%20253%204198" value="+31302534198" target="_blank">+31 30 253 4198</a> | Website: </span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black"><a href="http://ron.dotsch.org/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica">http://ron.dotsch.org/</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Friday 27 May 2016 at 15:56</span></p><div><div class="h5"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Dr. Dotsch, <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you very, very much for the fast reply! I think that it will really be helpful. However I could not get the file to open. It says that "the requested file was not found on the server". I don't know if it's about something that I am
doing wrong. Sorry for the inconvenience.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">By the way I am very grateful for the help!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:monospace,serif;color:black">Erdem Ozan Meral</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 16:12:46 +0300<br>
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Hi Nicholas Michalak,<br>
<br>
I had the same problem when I was trying to create the experiment in<br>
PsychoPy. I couldn't actually completely figure out how to do this, but I<br>
tried something different. I know that this is not what you are intending<br>
to do, and you probably thought of this already but what I did was to<br>
assign locations to pairings before the experiment. For half of the pairs<br>
the original was on the left, and the inv was on the right, for the other<br>
half I did the reverse. I entered the locations in the excel file that I<br>
feed to the PsychoPy. Since PsychoPy was selecting trials in a random order<br>
without replacement, the participants did not see one type of stimulus in<br>
the same location for all the trials.<br>
<br>
Again, I know that this is not exactly what you intended to do, but this is<br>
the closest that I could come up with in a short time. If you could find a<br>
better solution I would love to hear that too! I couldn't find a way to do<br>
this in PsychoPy's google groups as well.<br>
<br>
It would look like this if you had four pairs in the method that I just<br>
mentioned.<br>
<br>
oriimage invimage locationori locationinv<br>
image1.jpg image1_inv.jpg [-0.5,0] [0.5,0]<br>
image2.jpg image2_inv.jpg [-0.5,0] [0.5,0]<br>
image3.jpg image3_inv.jpg [0.5,0] [-0.5,0]<br>
image4.jpg image4_inv.jpg [0.5,0] [-0.5,0]<br>
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Best<br>
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Bo?azi?i University<br>
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> Hi all<br>
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> I've successfully programmed an RCP in Medialab, but I'm trying to<br>
> translate to PsychoPy in Python.<br>
><br>
> Before I ask my question, is there a rcicr thread on programming an RCP<br>
> experiment in PsychoPy?<br>
><br>
> If not, I'm having trouble presenting the stimuli pairs (i.e., ori and<br>
> inv) in such a way that participants see each pair in random order (without<br>
> replacement), where the images in a pair are randomly presented on the left<br>
> or the right of the screen.<br>
><br>
> So if I have 400 pairs and two sides of the screen, I'd want PsychoPy to<br>
> draw from the pairs randomly without replacement and draw within the pairs<br>
> randomly without replacement: present a random stimuli from a random pair<br>
> on the left and place the remaining stimuli from that pair on the right.<br>
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> I welcome any solutions--thank you!<br>
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From: "Dotsch, R. (Ron)" <<a href="mailto:R.Dotsch@uu.nl" target="_blank">R.Dotsch@uu.nl</a>><br>
To: Erdem Ozan Meral <<a href="mailto:erdemozanmeral@gmail.com" target="_blank">erdemozanmeral@gmail.com</a>>,<br>
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Subject: Re: [Rcicr-users] Programming RCP in PsychoPy (Nicholas<br>
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Hi all,<br>
<br>
I uploaded an example PsychoPy script that will do this for you (including stimulus generation and analysis R scripts) at
<a href="http://files.dotsch.org/RcicrPsychopyExample.zip" target="_blank">http://files.dotsch.org/RcicrPsychopyExample.zip</a>. Stimuli are not presented randomly, but the position of the original and inverted stimuli are randomized every trial. It should
not be too difficult to also adapt it to present the stimuli pairs in random order.<br>
<br>
The script uses the mouse as input device, and the unselected image fades into the background, which is also pretty cool.<br>
<br>
Hope this helps.<br>
<br>
Ron<br>
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Ron Dotsch, PhD | Associate Professor | Utrecht University | Department of Psychology | Office: Langeveld H1.11, Heidelberglaan 1 | Phone:
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Date: Friday 27 May 2016 at 15:12<br>
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Subject: Re: [Rcicr-users] Programming RCP in PsychoPy (Nicholas Michalak)<br>
<br>
Hi Nicholas Michalak,<br>
<br>
I had the same problem when I was trying to create the experiment in PsychoPy. I couldn't actually completely figure out how to do this, but I tried something different. I know that this is not what you are intending to do, and you probably thought of this
already but what I did was to assign locations to pairings before the experiment. For half of the pairs the original was on the left, and the inv was on the right, for the other half I did the reverse. I entered the locations in the excel file that I feed
to the PsychoPy. Since PsychoPy was selecting trials in a random order without replacement, the participants did not see one type of stimulus in the same location for all the trials.<br>
<br>
Again, I know that this is not exactly what you intended to do, but this is the closest that I could come up with in a short time. If you could find a better solution I would love to hear that too! I couldn't find a way to do this in PsychoPy's google groups
as well.<br>
<br>
It would look like this if you had four pairs in the method that I just mentioned.<br>
<br>
oriimage<br>
<br>
invimage<br>
<br>
locationori<br>
<br>
locationinv<br>
<br>
image1.jpg<br>
<br>
image1_inv.jpg<br>
<br>
[-0.5,0]<br>
<br>
[0.5,0]<br>
<br>
image2.jpg<br>
<br>
image2_inv.jpg<br>
<br>
[-0.5,0]<br>
<br>
[0.5,0]<br>
<br>
image3.jpg<br>
<br>
image3_inv.jpg<br>
<br>
[0.5,0]<br>
<br>
[-0.5,0]<br>
<br>
image4.jpg<br>
<br>
image4_inv.jpg<br>
<br>
[0.5,0]<br>
<br>
[-0.5,0]<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Best<br>
<br>
Erdem Ozan Meral<br>
Bo?azi?i University<br>
Department of Psychology<br>
Research & Teaching Assistant<br>
<a href="http://www.psychology.boun.edu.tr" target="_blank">www.psychology.boun.edu.tr</a><<a href="http://www.psychology.boun.edu.tr/" target="_blank">http://www.psychology.boun.edu.tr/</a>><br>
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Hi all<br>
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I've successfully programmed an RCP in Medialab, but I'm trying to<br>
translate to PsychoPy in Python.<br>
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Before I ask my question, is there a rcicr thread on programming an RCP<br>
experiment in PsychoPy?<br>
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If not, I'm having trouble presenting the stimuli pairs (i.e., ori and<br>
inv) in such a way that participants see each pair in random order (without<br>
replacement), where the images in a pair are randomly presented on the left<br>
or the right of the screen.<br>
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So if I have 400 pairs and two sides of the screen, I'd want PsychoPy to<br>
draw from the pairs randomly without replacement and draw within the pairs<br>
randomly without replacement: present a random stimuli from a random pair<br>
on the left and place the remaining stimuli from that pair on the right.<br>
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I welcome any solutions--thank you!<br>
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Nick<br>
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