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<div>Il giorno 02/mag/2013, alle ore 21:42, Yurii Aulchenko <<a href="mailto:yurii.aulchenko@gmail.com">yurii.aulchenko@gmail.com</a>> ha scritto:</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">Good idea - we should have this in our 'pile of desires' for the designer.
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<div>To keep things in the same thread: one more suggestion from one of the friends is "probably [you] might want to change the blue color to something lighter, in order to make the G stand out a little bit more clearly"</div>
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<div>I think that for colors if you go to a professional he could propose some "good" combinations. </div>
<div>For some reason I don't quite get ,I associate GenABEL to blue colors but we can always decide to opt to another. Also if I really have to be honest I would avoid black.</div>
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<div>To give you some inspiration, take a look at this image which summarizes famous logos by color. Note that actually some top brands like google microsoft and ebay are multiple colors, which could be an option as well since we have so many different subprojects.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 8:48 PM, Maarten Kooyman <span dir="ltr">
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<div>I'm honoured that you continue with my draft! Statistical Genomics is a nice 2 word summary what Genabel is.<br>
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Maybe it is a idea to reserve some space in the logo to add the name of a sub-project. It is nice to add your own sub-project under one flag (logo), but can be a cause of making the thing ugly (like painting a name on a national flag).<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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On 04/29/2013 10:15 PM, Yurii Aulchenko wrote:<br>
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<div>We have discussed this a bit during EMGM-2013 with Lennart and Nicola, and our suggestion (N, L, please correct me if I am wrong) is to </div>
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<div>1) Pick up Maarten's variant </div>
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<div>2) Replace "project" with "Statistical Genomics" as suggested below</div>
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<div>3) Send this to a professional designer to make it 'nice' (I am willing to pay it unless it is too expensive)</div>
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<div>And of cause the logo can evolve later on if we get better ideas :)</div>
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<div>Please let us know what you think. </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 11:09 PM, L.C. Karssen <span dir="ltr">
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Short is better in marketing, so in that sense I agree with Maarten and<br>
Yurii. But it should cover what we do in/with the project.<br>
What about:<br>
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GenABEL<br>
Statistical Genetics<br>
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Methodology is too "open", our project is focused on statistical<br>
genetics (in all its aspects, from methodology development to<br>
implementation and user support, but the core is about analysing genetic<br>
data).<br>
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Best,<br>
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Lennart.<br>
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On 20/04/13 18:22, Yurii Aulchenko wrote:<br>
> Dear All,<br>
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> I now tend to agree with Maarten. I have discussed the logos with a<br>
> couple of people who know more about design, and it seems that<br>
> introducing Greek letters, 0/1 etc may be bad idea - the logo must be<br>
> simple. So if we want to deliver extra message it should probably go<br>
> to "subheading". The subheading "project" does not carry much info, I<br>
> think. I personally like the "statistical toolkit", but I think it may<br>
> miss the point that the idea of the project is a bit broader than the<br>
> software.<br>
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> So, on the top of Maarten's suggestions, what about:<br>
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> - methodology project<br>
> - open methodology<br>
> - methodological toolbox<br>
> - methodology<br>
> - agile methodology<br>
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> YA<br>
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> Yurii Aulchenko<br>
> (sent from mobile device)<br>
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> On 12 Apr 2013, at 09:18, Maarten Kooyman <<a href="mailto:kooyman@gmail.com" target="_blank">kooyman@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> I think a logo must deliver the message in one go. I think it misses is goal if you have to play "where is Waldo?" in a logo: the simpler the better. Adding some greek symbols somewhere increase the "where is Waldo?"-effect.<br>
>><br>
>> Maybe it is a idea to replace "project" with "Statistical toolkit" or "statistics project"(or is this plainly rude?)<br>
>><br>
>> Maarten<br>
>><br>
>> On 04/11/2013 11:46 PM, Nicola Pirastu wrote:<br>
>>> I think that the greek letters are a good idea although in GenABEL would look very much the same, maybe in project?<br>
>>><br>
>>> N.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Inviato da iPhone<br>
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>>> Il giorno 11/apr/2013, alle ore 23:34, Yurii Aulchenko <<a href="mailto:yurii.aulchenko@gmail.com" target="_blank">yurii.aulchenko@gmail.com</a>> ha scritto:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> What about replacing some letters with Greek ones - this may give some<br>
>>>> math flavor?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> YA<br>
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>>>> Yurii Aulchenko<br>
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>>>><br>
>>>> On 11 Apr 2013, at 22:14, "L.C. Karssen" <<a href="mailto:lennart@karssen.org" target="_blank">lennart@karssen.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> Not bad! I really like the way you mixed the G and the DNA.<br>
>>>>> Can't we make a combination with Nicola's creation so that we get some<br>
>>>>> math in as well? That would nicely integrate two major components of the<br>
>>>>> project (only programming would be missing).<br>
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>>>>><br>
>>>>> Lennart<br>
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>>>>> On 11/04/13 21:39, Maarten Kooyman wrote:<br>
>>>>>> Dear All,<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I made also a small sketch of a logo. It is pretty raw, colours are<br>
>>>>>> wrong , etcetera, etcetera.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> To quote Nicola:<br>
>>>>>> " If you hate it or think it should go in another direction, I'm not<br>
>>>>>> touchy so please do tell me. "<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Cheers,<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Maarten<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On 04/06/2013 01:36 AM, Nicola Pirastu wrote:<br>
>>>>>>> Dear all,<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> I gave a shot at the logo, it's very simple. Let me know if you like<br>
>>>>>>> the general idea, if you'd like to add something or change it.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> As colors I've sticked to those of the website but they can be<br>
>>>>>>> changed. Also the pattern for the formulas have some white spaces, but<br>
>>>>>>> this is just a quick draft.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> If you hate it or think it should go in another direction, I'm not<br>
>>>>>>> touchy so please do tell me.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Best.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Nicola<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Dear all,<br>
>>>>>>>> I really like the proposal, I just to add a few ideas to the discussion.<br>
>>>>>>>> I think that there are some important concepts that could be used for<br>
>>>>>>>> a logo:<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> 1) ABEL which is able in the end could be something like a hammer or a<br>
>>>>>>>> tool of some sort.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> 2) I think that the great thing about the *ABEL project is that it is not<br>
>>>>>>>> a single group but it is a network of people and we could rappresent that<br>
>>>>>>>> also.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> 3) the * in *ABEL could be made by two crossed Chromosomes or something<br>
>>>>>>>> else or maybe a DNA strand a tool and something else (Although I do<br>
>>>>>>>> realize that it could remind of the comunist party this way :) ).<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> 4) I do like animals, but I it should be meanigful somehow (although<br>
>>>>>>>> Linux<br>
>>>>>>>> does have a penguin for some obscure reason).<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Best<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Nicola<br>
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>>>>>>>>> Dear Maarten,<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> I have also some irritation about the fact that there is no recognisable<br>
>>>>>>>>>> logo on the page. I looks like a complete default page to me: which<br>
>>>>>>>>>> gives<br>
>>>>>>>>>> me the impression that there is not any on it. Does someone has<br>
>>>>>>>>>> graphical<br>
>>>>>>>>>> skills to create a nice logo which we can use on the site, posters or<br>
>>>>>>>>>> presentations? Having a neat logo, is like wearing a suite: people<br>
>>>>>>>>>> think<br>
>>>>>>>>>> at<br>
>>>>>>>>>> first sight you are more trustworthy,intelligent etc ect. ;)<br>
>>>>>>>>> Completely agree and fully support the idea! I even tried to design<br>
>>>>>>>>> something myself, but it was SO bad :)<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Part of the problem is that obvious meaningful symbols (like<br>
>>>>>>>>> chromosomes,<br>
>>>>>>>>> sigmas and Gaussians) are boring and used for long time. Another part is<br>
>>>>>>>>> that we can not just pick say a cute kitty and stop - there should<br>
>>>>>>>>> be some<br>
>>>>>>>>> meaning to the symbol (or not?).<br>
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>>>>>>>>> Do we have examples of successful, recognizable logos we like?I like<br>
>>>>>>>>> FreeBSD, GNU's Gnu, also Firefox and Chrome are very distinguished.<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Yurii<br>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>
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