Agree.<div><br></div><div>We have discussed this a bit during EMGM-2013 with Lennart and Nicola, and our suggestion (N, L, please correct me if I am wrong) is to </div><div><br></div><div>1) Pick up Maarten's variant </div>
<div><br></div><div>2) Replace "project" with "Statistical Genomics" as suggested below</div><div><br></div><div>3) Send this to a professional designer to make it 'nice' (I am willing to pay it unless it is too expensive)</div>
<div><br></div><div>And of cause the logo can evolve later on if we get better ideas :)</div><div><br></div><div>Please let us know what you think. </div><div><br></div><div>YA<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 11:09 PM, L.C. Karssen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lennart@karssen.org" target="_blank">lennart@karssen.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Short is better in marketing, so in that sense I agree with Maarten and<br>
Yurii. But it should cover what we do in/with the project.<br>
What about:<br>
<br>
GenABEL<br>
Statistical Genetics<br>
<br>
<br>
Methodology is too "open", our project is focused on statistical<br>
genetics (in all its aspects, from methodology development to<br>
implementation and user support, but the core is about analysing genetic<br>
data).<br>
<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Lennart.<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
On 20/04/13 18:22, Yurii Aulchenko wrote:<br>
> Dear All,<br>
><br>
> I now tend to agree with Maarten. I have discussed the logos with a<br>
> couple of people who know more about design, and it seems that<br>
> introducing Greek letters, 0/1 etc may be bad idea - the logo must be<br>
> simple. So if we want to deliver extra message it should probably go<br>
> to "subheading". The subheading "project" does not carry much info, I<br>
> think. I personally like the "statistical toolkit", but I think it may<br>
> miss the point that the idea of the project is a bit broader than the<br>
> software.<br>
><br>
> So, on the top of Maarten's suggestions, what about:<br>
><br>
> - methodology project<br>
> - open methodology<br>
> - methodological toolbox<br>
> - methodology<br>
> - agile methodology<br>
><br>
> YA<br>
> ----------------------<br>
> Yurii Aulchenko<br>
> (sent from mobile device)<br>
><br>
> On 12 Apr 2013, at 09:18, Maarten Kooyman <<a href="mailto:kooyman@gmail.com">kooyman@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> I think a logo must deliver the message in one go. I think it misses is goal if you have to play "where is Waldo?" in a logo: the simpler the better. Adding some greek symbols somewhere increase the "where is Waldo?"-effect.<br>
>><br>
>> Maybe it is a idea to replace "project" with "Statistical toolkit" or "statistics project"(or is this plainly rude?)<br>
>><br>
>> Maarten<br>
>><br>
>> On 04/11/2013 11:46 PM, Nicola Pirastu wrote:<br>
>>> I think that the greek letters are a good idea although in GenABEL would look very much the same, maybe in project?<br>
>>><br>
>>> N.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Inviato da iPhone<br>
>>><br>
>>> Il giorno 11/apr/2013, alle ore 23:34, Yurii Aulchenko <<a href="mailto:yurii.aulchenko@gmail.com">yurii.aulchenko@gmail.com</a>> ha scritto:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> What about replacing some letters with Greek ones - this may give some<br>
>>>> math flavor?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> YA<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> ----------------------<br>
>>>> Yurii Aulchenko<br>
>>>> (sent from mobile device)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On 11 Apr 2013, at 22:14, "L.C. Karssen" <<a href="mailto:lennart@karssen.org">lennart@karssen.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> Not bad! I really like the way you mixed the G and the DNA.<br>
>>>>> Can't we make a combination with Nicola's creation so that we get some<br>
>>>>> math in as well? That would nicely integrate two major components of the<br>
>>>>> project (only programming would be missing).<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Lennart<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On 11/04/13 21:39, Maarten Kooyman wrote:<br>
>>>>>> Dear All,<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I made also a small sketch of a logo. It is pretty raw, colours are<br>
>>>>>> wrong , etcetera, etcetera.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> To quote Nicola:<br>
>>>>>> " If you hate it or think it should go in another direction, I'm not<br>
>>>>>> touchy so please do tell me. "<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Cheers,<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Maarten<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On 04/06/2013 01:36 AM, Nicola Pirastu wrote:<br>
>>>>>>> Dear all,<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> I gave a shot at the logo, it's very simple. Let me know if you like<br>
>>>>>>> the general idea, if you'd like to add something or change it.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> As colors I've sticked to those of the website but they can be<br>
>>>>>>> changed. Also the pattern for the formulas have some white spaces, but<br>
>>>>>>> this is just a quick draft.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> If you hate it or think it should go in another direction, I'm not<br>
>>>>>>> touchy so please do tell me.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Best.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Nicola<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Dear all,<br>
>>>>>>>> I really like the proposal, I just to add a few ideas to the discussion.<br>
>>>>>>>> I think that there are some important concepts that could be used for<br>
>>>>>>>> a logo:<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> 1) ABEL which is able in the end could be something like a hammer or a<br>
>>>>>>>> tool of some sort.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> 2) I think that the great thing about the *ABEL project is that it is not<br>
>>>>>>>> a single group but it is a network of people and we could rappresent that<br>
>>>>>>>> also.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> 3) the * in *ABEL could be made by two crossed Chromosomes or something<br>
>>>>>>>> else or maybe a DNA strand a tool and something else (Although I do<br>
>>>>>>>> realize that it could remind of the comunist party this way :) ).<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> 4) I do like animals, but I it should be meanigful somehow (although<br>
>>>>>>>> Linux<br>
>>>>>>>> does have a penguin for some obscure reason).<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Best<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Nicola<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Maarten,<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> I have also some irritation about the fact that there is no recognisable<br>
>>>>>>>>>> logo on the page. I looks like a complete default page to me: which<br>
>>>>>>>>>> gives<br>
>>>>>>>>>> me the impression that there is not any on it. Does someone has<br>
>>>>>>>>>> graphical<br>
>>>>>>>>>> skills to create a nice logo which we can use on the site, posters or<br>
>>>>>>>>>> presentations? Having a neat logo, is like wearing a suite: people<br>
>>>>>>>>>> think<br>
>>>>>>>>>> at<br>
>>>>>>>>>> first sight you are more trustworthy,intelligent etc ect. ;)<br>
>>>>>>>>> Completely agree and fully support the idea! I even tried to design<br>
>>>>>>>>> something myself, but it was SO bad :)<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Part of the problem is that obvious meaningful symbols (like<br>
>>>>>>>>> chromosomes,<br>
>>>>>>>>> sigmas and Gaussians) are boring and used for long time. Another part is<br>
>>>>>>>>> that we can not just pick say a cute kitty and stop - there should<br>
>>>>>>>>> be some<br>
>>>>>>>>> meaning to the symbol (or not?).<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Do we have examples of successful, recognizable logos we like?I like<br>
>>>>>>>>> FreeBSD, GNU's Gnu, also Firefox and Chrome are very distinguished.<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Yurii<br>
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>>>>> Utrecht<br>
>>>>> The Netherlands<br>
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