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    Hi Ernesto,<br>
    <br>
    Thanks for your useful response.<br>
    There was never any intention on replicating the XSA but given the
    huge disparity<br>
    in both the XSA and a4a outputs I was wondering why it was so.<br>
    <br>
    A statistical model sounds more sound than XSA but the problem with
    a4a is that there is no much documentation to see upon (or maybe
    it's me who can't find it)<br>
    <br>
    Your suggestion on including a year trend in the catchability of the
    trawl cpue for example sounds good. The problem is how to implement
    it.<br>
    <br>
    Thanks again,<br>
    Luis<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/24/2015 09:01 AM, Ernesto wrote:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi,<br>
        <br>
        Sorry for the late reply.<br>
        <br>
        The problem is that your catch data has a large number of ages
        that don't have tunning data. The default model for a4a was not
        written for those cases. Check <br>
        <br>
        a4afit <- sca(gul0001, gul.indices)<br>
        wireframe(data~year+age, data=harvest(a4afit))<br>
        <br>
        F in the last ages gets loose and the fit is quite poor.<br>
        <br>
        Once that you want to compare with XSA we can take the same kind
        of approach, which is to force the oldest ages Fs the same. In
        this case the model will fit one coefficient (times the year
        coefficients) for ages older than 18, which mean they are fit
        together, which I think is slightly different from XSA. Note
        that you have a large +group in some years. <br>
        <br>
        This can be done using the "replace" method.<br>
        <br>
        fmod <- ~te(replace(age, age>18, 18), year, k = c(6, 10),
        bs = "tp")<br>
        a4afit <- sca(gul0001, gul.indices, fmodel=fmod)<br>
        <br>
        For comparison<br>
        xsafit <- FLXSA(gul0001, gul.indices, FLXSA.control())<br>
        <br>
        wireframe(data~year+age|qname,
        data=as.data.frame(FLQuants(a4a=harvest(a4afit),
        xsa=xsafit@harvest)))<br>
        <br>
        Now, the one million dollars question is why you want to
        replicate XSA ;)<br>
        <br>
        Best<br>
        <br>
        EJ<br>
        <br>
        ps: Take a look at the residuals and you'll see that both fits
        have some odd residuals. In a4a you have a couple of simple
        options to improve this fit, like including a year trend in the
        catchability of the trawl cpue, etc.<br>
        <br>
        bubbles(age~year|qname, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
          class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
          href="mailto:data=xsafit@index.res">data=xsafit@index.res</a>)<br>
        plot(residuals(a4afit, gul0001, gul.indices))<br>
        <br>
        On 02/18/2015 02:35 PM, Havstovan FAMRI wrote:<br>
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                <div>Hi,</div>
                <div><br>
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                <div>Well that solved the problem (trimming the indices
                  object trim(gul.indices[[2]], age 4:12). No errors
                  come up but stock numbers and F's are really spurious</div>
                <div>and nothing in the range of the XSA run. F are
                  given below as a example:</div>
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                <div>> gulfit@harvest[,ac(2010:2014)]  # a4a output</div>
                <div>An object of class "FLQuant"</div>
                <div>, , unit = unique, season = all, area = unique</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>    year</div>
                <div>age  2010       2011       2012       2013      
                  2014     </div>
                <div>  4  0.00061883 0.00054841 0.00088312 0.00104010
                  0.00070947</div>
                <div>  5  0.00194001 0.00170594 0.00221326 0.00254813
                  0.00223464</div>
                <div>  6  0.00515556 0.00454088 0.00496769 0.00561751
                  0.00602334</div>
                <div>  7  0.01007180 0.00901793 0.00900872 0.01006750
                  0.01202780</div>
                <div>  8  0.01384780 0.01273870 0.01257350 0.01389800
                  0.01666770</div>
                <div>  9  0.01448220 0.01365150 0.01385510 0.01499370
                  0.01669910</div>
                <div>  10 0.01336920 0.01269240 0.01303890 0.01351880
                  0.01358130</div>
                <div>  11 0.01248430 0.01165750 0.01145380 0.01107690
                  0.01019620</div>
                <div>  12 0.01247860 0.01127330 0.00997400 0.00880635
                  0.00769486</div>
                <div>  13 0.01285800 0.01125750 0.00874288 0.00700203
                  0.00595635</div>
                <div>  14 0.01248820 0.01082000 0.00757566 0.00557152
                  0.00460538</div>
                <div>  15 0.01064480 0.00939845 0.00633618 0.00439713
                  0.00344647</div>
                <div>  16 0.00797521 0.00732193 0.00509501 0.00344610
                  0.00249670</div>
                <div>  17 0.00569563 0.00541743 0.00403299 0.00273092
                  0.00182383</div>
                <div>  18 0.00435670 0.00416232 0.00326465 0.00224600
                  0.00142545</div>
                <div>  19 0.00388555 0.00355594 0.00278197 0.00194974
                  0.00124088</div>
                <div>  20 0.00406418 0.00340829 0.00250123 0.00177887
                  0.00119688</div>
                <div>  21 0.00465988 0.00349410 0.00231912 0.00166745
                  0.00122197</div>
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                <div>units:  f</div>
                <div>> gul_F[,ac(2010:2014)]  # XSA output</div>
                <div>     2010   2011   2012   2013   2014</div>
                <div>4  0.0047 0.0115 0.0015 0.0066 0.0053</div>
                <div>5  0.0143 0.0311 0.0100 0.0154 0.0296</div>
                <div>6  0.0675 0.0787 0.0485 0.0655 0.0872</div>
                <div>7  0.1257 0.1506 0.0947 0.1182 0.1404</div>
                <div>8  0.1696 0.2211 0.1632 0.1897 0.2082</div>
                <div>9  0.2107 0.2428 0.1669 0.2651 0.2607</div>
                <div>10 0.2624 0.3209 0.2170 0.2783 0.2700</div>
                <div>11 0.2686 0.3086 0.2396 0.3374 0.2840</div>
                <div>12 0.3309 0.4213 0.2750 0.3371 0.2146</div>
                <div>13 0.4980 0.6288 0.4110 0.4805 0.2861</div>
                <div>14 0.4428 0.5557 0.4666 0.5562 0.3298</div>
                <div>15 0.4462 0.5266 0.4679 0.6606 0.4605</div>
                <div>16 0.3444 0.4555 0.4277 0.5946 0.4433</div>
                <div>17 0.2812 0.3540 0.3561 0.5347 0.3910</div>
                <div>18 0.2529 0.3157 0.3512 0.4841 0.3601</div>
                <div>19 0.4566 0.2772 0.1803 0.2773 0.3215</div>
                <div>20 0.2534 0.3124 0.2804 0.4170 0.4099</div>
                <div>21 0.2534 0.3124 0.2804 0.4170 0.4099</div>
                <div><br>
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                <div>best,</div>
                <div>Luis</div>
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