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    On 10/18/2011 03:07 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ernesto.jardim@jrc.ec.europa.eu">ernesto.jardim@jrc.ec.europa.eu</a> wrote:
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      On 10/18/2011 02:34 PM, Laurie wrote:
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          On 10/18/2011 01:22 PM, Laurie wrote:
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            On 10/18/2011 01:10 PM, Ernesto Jardim wrote:
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cite="mid:CAC03QWCxARV-RbXfZJNwS8gMLVsgYkRPDrH86LDUkPuyhCmRzg@mail.gmail.com"
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              <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 1:03 PM,
                Laurie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:lauriekell@googlemail.com">lauriekell@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span>
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                      <div class="h5"> On 10/18/2011 12:50 PM, <a
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                        wrote:
                        <blockquote type="cite"> On 10/18/2011 12:02 PM,
                          Laurie wrote:
                          <blockquote type="cite"> On 10/18/2011 11:41
                            AM, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:ernesto.jardim@jrc.ec.europa.eu"
                              target="_blank">ernesto.jardim@jrc.ec.europa.eu</a>
                            wrote:
                            <blockquote type="cite">On 10/18/2011 11:26
                              AM, Laurie wrote: <br>
                              <blockquote type="cite">I am working on
                                tagging models, where tags are released
                                for a number of&nbsp; years and then
                                recaptured in subsequent years. This
                                allows M &amp; Z to be estimated along a
                                cohort. <br>
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                                The data are in the form of number of
                                fish tagged and recovered each year of a
                                cohort. This means that you can&acute;t use
                                FLCohort which has age &amp; cohort as
                                dims 1&amp;2. <br>
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                                However, if you use the 1st dim for
                                cohort then you can model this with an
                                FLQuant, i.e. <br>
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                                setGeneric("I",&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
                                function(object,...) <br>
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                                function(object, ...) <br>
                                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; standardGeneric("O")) <br>
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                                signature(object='FLQuant'), <br>
                                &nbsp; function(object,...){ <br>
                                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; dmns &lt;-dimnames(object) <br>
                                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; dmns[[1]]
                                &lt;-ac((dims(object)$minyear-dims(object)$max):(dims(object)$maxyear-
                                dims(object)$min)) <br>
                                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; names(dmns)[1]&lt;-"quant" <br>
                                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; flc &lt;-FLQuant(NA,dimnames=dmns) <br>
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                                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; t. &lt;-as.data.frame(object) <br>
                                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; t.$cohort &lt;-t.$year-t.$age <br>
                                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; flc[]
                                &lt;-daply(t.,c("cohort","year","unit","season","area","iter"),function(x)







                                sum(x$data)) <br>
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                                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; return(flc)}) <br>
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                                signature(object='FLQuant'), <br>
                                &nbsp; function(object,...){ <br>
                                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; dmns &lt;-dimnames(object) <br>
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                                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; flc &lt;-FLQuant(NA,dimnames=dmns) <br>
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                                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; t. &lt;-as.data.frame(object) <br>
                                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; t.$age &lt;-t.$year-t.$quant <br>
                                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; t. &lt;-t.[!<a
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                                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; flc[]
                                &lt;-daply(t.,c("age","year","unit","season","area","iter"),function(x)
                                sum(x$data)) <br>
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                                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; return(flc)}) <br>
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                                data(ple4) <br>
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                                m1=I(m(ple4)) <br>
                                m2=O(m1) <br>
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                                It is probably best to derive a new
                                class for this object just to break VPAs
                                etc. But what to call it? Also how does
                                it relate to FLCohort. <br>
                                Laurie <br>
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                              You may change the age in FLCohort <br>
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                              library(FLCore) <br>
                              data(ple4) <br>
                              flc &lt;- FLCohort(catch.n(ple4)) <br>
                              quant(flc) &lt;- "year" <br>
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                              why not using year in the first dimension
                              ? it should work out of the box. <br>
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                              EJ <br>
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                            But you don&acute;t get what you want.<br>
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</span>An object of class "FLQuant"
, , unit = unique, season = all, area = unique

      year
quant  1957 1958 1959 1960 1961 1962 1963 1964 1965 1966
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  1950 0.1  0.1  0.1  0.1   NA   NA   NA   NA   NA   NA 
  1951 <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:0.1%20%200.1%20%200.1%20%200.1%20%200.1" value="+353101010101" target="_blank">0.1  0.1  0.1  0.1  0.1</a>   NA   NA   NA   NA   NA 
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  1954 0.1  0.1  0.1  0.1  0.1  0.1  0.1  0.1   NA   NA 
  1955 0.1  0.1  0.1  0.1  0.1  0.1  0.1  0.1  0.1   NA 
  1956 0.1  0.1  0.1  0.1  0.1  0.1  0.1  0.1  0.1  0.1 

units:  NA 
<span style="white-space: pre-wrap; color: blue;">&gt; </span><span style="color: blue;">FLCohort(m(ple4))[1:10,1:10]
</span>An object of class "FLCohort"
, , unit = unique, season = all, area = unique

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age  1947 1948 1949 1950 1951 1952 1953 1954 1955 1956
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  9   NA  0.1  0.1  0.1  0.1  0.1  0.1  0.1  0.1  0.1 

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                          Lost me. What do you want ?<br>
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                    There are three ways to represent the 1st two dims
                    in an FLQuant.<br>
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                    i) age &amp; year<br>
                    ii) age &amp; cohort<br>
                    iii) cohort &amp; year<br>
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                    (i) is FLQuant and (ii) is FLCohort; However we do
                    not have (iii) which is what I need for my tagging
                    model.<br>
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                    I have created an "FLCohortYear" from an FLQuant by
                    adding I() &amp; O() as coercion methods and
                    validity that only allows 1st dim to be called
                    cohort.<br>
                    But then we have two FLCohort objects which might
                    conflict. <br>
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                      Laurie <br>
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                  But you can use FLQuant and change the first
                  dimension. You may need a method to convert i) or ii)
                  into it but shouldn't create any conflicts. If you
                  really need a new data structure and the problem only
                  affects tag data, call it FLTag and extend FLQuant.<br>
                  <br>
                  Best<br>
                  EJ<br>
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            I would have called in FLCohort but some body got there 1st!<br>
            <br>
            Having 2 versions of FLCohorts with different properties
            does raise an issue though.<br>
            <br>
            Laurie</blockquote>
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          Yes, sure ! But you get what you need computing
          year=cohort+age, so I don't see the need for a new one.<br>
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          Best<br>
          <br>
          EJ<br>
        </blockquote>
        <br>
        Same argument applies to FLQuant! However, the maths is easier
        in my case using sweep &amp; plyr if dims are year &amp; cohort<br>
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        Laurie<br>
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      <br>
      Fine, but we're not changing FLCohort so that you may use plyr. In
      that case you should create a new class like you're suggesting and
      use it.<br>
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      Best<br>
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      EJ<br>
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    <br>
    I first looked at FLCohort in order to see if it could be modified
    to allow the two cases to be included (i.e. age-cohort &amp;
    year-cohort), but found doing the aperms a bit tricky, hence the
    daply solution.<br>
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    I will create an FLYrCls for now.<br>
    <br>
    Laurie<br>
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