[FLR-list] ssb constraint with FLash

laurie lauriekell at gmail.com
Mon Oct 27 15:56:09 CET 2014


I know that, I was just checking that the algorithm that estimated SSB 
was working.
The final result is also a check for the values that the fwdControl with 
val and min should get.

On 27/10/14 15:53, Clara Ulrich wrote:
>
> Hi Laurie,
>
> In your example below, you use ssb as a target, not as a minimum. This 
> was working also for me in the previous example, but that is not 
> really what we want? F should be the target, but SSB is just a minimum 
> threshold, exactly like a TAC constraint?
>
> Clara
>
> *From:*flr-list-bounces at lists.r-forge.r-project.org 
> [mailto:flr-list-bounces at lists.r-forge.r-project.org] *On Behalf Of 
> *laurie
> *Sent:* 27 October 2014 15:02
> *To:* flr-list at lists.r-forge.r-project.org
> *Subject:* Re: [FLR-list] ssb constraint with FLash
>
> There are a couple of issues neither of which should cause a problem 
> but may point to a bug somewhere.
> The ple4 object differs from the one Clara is using as it start at age 
> 0 not age 1, plus it doesnt come from XSA so the F in the plusgroup is 
> not the same as in plusgrpoup-1.
> It looks like there is a bug in "[" i.e.
>
> range(ple4[-1])
>       min       max plusgroup   minyear   maxyear minfbar   maxfbar
>         2        10        -1      1957 2008         2         6
>
>
> The following code works as expected, it is a long winded way of 
> constraining SSB. It points in a problem not in the estimation 
> procedure (LU decomposition) but maybe how it is being set up.
>
>
> plot(window(stk,start=2006))
>
> stk=window(iter(MyObj,1),end=2008)
> stk =fwdWindow(stk,eql,end=2010)
>
> target <-fwdControl(data.frame(year  =c(2009,2009),
>                              val     =c(.3,180000),
>                              #min     =c(NA,180000),
>                              quantity=c("f","ssb")))
>
> stk.=fwd(stk,ctrl=target ,
>              sr=eql)
>
> fbar(stk.)[,ac(2009)]
> An object of class "FLQuant"
> , , unit = unique, season = all, area = unique
>
>      year
> age   2009
>   all 0.21768
>
> units:  f
> > ssb( stk.)[,ac(2009:2010)]
> An object of class "FLQuant"
> , , unit = unique, season = all, area = unique
>
>      year
> age   2009   2010
>   all 227124 180000
>
> units:  NA
>
>
> Note that the SSS constraint refers to the SSB at the end of the year 
> if harvest.spwn.
>
> Laurie
>
> On 27/10/14 10:36, Clara Ulrich wrote:
>
>     Hej, Thanks for help. I send my object - a stf from North Sea Haddock with 10 iterations.
>
>       
>
>     Clara
>
>       
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>       
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>       
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>     -----Original Message-----
>
>     From:flr-list-bounces at lists.r-forge.r-project.org  <mailto:flr-list-bounces at lists.r-forge.r-project.org>  [mailto:flr-list-bounces at lists.r-forge.r-project.org] On Behalf Of laurie
>
>     Sent: 27 October 2014 09:47
>
>     To:flr-list at flr-project.org  <mailto:flr-list at flr-project.org>
>
>     Subject: Re: [FLR-list] ssb constraint with FLash
>
>       
>
>     Is it a bug or poor documentation?
>
>       
>
>     We used to have  a page on TYFLR with all the different HCRs implemented using FLash. This included the STECF ones with numerous sequential constraints, on F, TAC, SSB etc. I have also implemented some simpler interfaces for fwd. I am currently redoing this seehttp://rscloud.iccat.int/Tutorials/MSE/hcr.pdf
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>       
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>     As well as being documentation this will also provide a set of tests to make sure no bugs creep in during the winter.
>
>       
>
>     As Iago says could you provide an example, and if it is not already included in hcr.pdf I will add it. After checking there isnt a bug of course.
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>     Laurie
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>     On 27/10/14 09:28, Iago MOSQUEIRA (JRC) wrote:
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>         Hi,
>
>           
>
>         I am trying to replicate the issue, using our dear ple4, but I failed
>
>         to do so. If I set a min value for ssb in 2010, which is higher than
>
>         what
>
>         f=0.8 in 2009 would give me, I get as expected a lower F and the right
>
>         ssb, try code below.
>
>           
>
>         Can you send me your FLStock object?
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>           
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>         Cheers,
>
>           
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>           
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>         Iago
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>           
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>           
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>         library(FLash)
>
>         library(FLAssess)
>
>           
>
>         data(ple4)
>
>           
>
>         ple4 <- stf(ple4,3)
>
>           
>
>         maxF <-fwdControl(data.frame(year=2009,val=0.8,quantity="f")) #  an
>
>         example with high F that decreases biomass a lot
>
>           
>
>         ple4 <-
>
>         fwd(ple4,ctrl=maxF,sr=list(model="mean",params=FLPar(1)),sr.residuals=
>
>         FLQuant(3500000,dimnames=list(year=2009:2011)))
>
>           
>
>         fbar(ple4)[,"2009"]
>
>           
>
>         maxF <-fwdControl(data.frame(year=2009,val=c(0.8,NA),min=c(NA,350000),
>
>         quantity=c("f","ssb")))
>
>           
>
>         ple4 <-
>
>         fwd(ple4,ctrl=maxF,sr=list(model="mean",params=FLPar(1)),sr.residuals=
>
>         FLQuant(3500000,dimnames=list(year=2009:2011)))
>
>           
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>         fbar(ple4)[,"2009"]
>
>         ssb(ple4)[,"2009"]
>
>         ssb(ple4)[,"2010"]
>
>           
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>           
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>         On 25/10/14 21:35, Clara Ulrich wrote:
>
>             Hi all,
>
>               
>
>             We are just back from ICES MIXFISH, where we once again made much use
>
>             of FLash power... (still on R 2.15.3 windows 32 bits, we had some
>
>             troubles at the advice meeting in May with using the new FLFleet
>
>             package for R3.1, we haven't tried again - Flash 2.5.0)
>
>               
>
>             This time we wanted to some SSB-based HCR - Typically, we have a target F with some SSB minimum constraints - for example the biomass must stay above Bpa, or if the biomass is below Bpa, the target is reduced such as SSB should be at least increasing...
>
>               
>
>             But I kept having troubles making it to work - I had tried this some years ago and it worked OK as far as I remember, but last week I did not manage to get around the problem.
>
>               
>
>             For example (with target F for 2014, and SSB constraint applying on
>
>             SSB at 1st January 2015 at the end of the fwd year)
>
>               
>
>             maxF <-fwdControl(data.frame(year=2014,val=0.8,quantity="f")) #  an
>
>             example with high F that decreases biomass a lot Proj <-
>
>             fwd(MyObj,ctrl=maxF,sr=list(model="mean",params=FLPar(1)),sr.residual
>
>             s=FLQuant(3500000,dimnames=list(year=2014:2015)))
>
>               
>
>             This works :
>
>             fbar(Proj)[,"2014"]
>
>                   An object of class "FLQuant"
>
>                   iters:  10
>
>                   , , unit = unique, season = all, area = unique
>
>                        year
>
>                   age   2014
>
>                     all 0.8(0)
>
>                   units:  f
>
>               
>
>             ssb(Proj)[,ac(2014:2015)]
>
>                   An object of class "FLQuant"
>
>                   iters:  10
>
>                   , , unit = unique, season = all, area = unique
>
>                        year
>
>                   age   2014      2015
>
>                   all 172983(0)  77323(0)
>
>                   units:  NA
>
>               
>
>             but this does not work (here an example where the SSB constraint
>
>             should be activated)
>
>               
>
>             maxF
>
>             <-fwdControl(data.frame(year=2014,val=c(0.8,NA),min=c(NA,150000),
>
>             quantity=c("f","ssb"))) Proj <-
>
>             fwd(MyObj,ctrl=maxF,sr=list(model="mean",params=FLPar(1)),sr.residual
>
>             s=FLQuant(3500000,dimnames=list(year=2014:2015)))
>
>               
>
>             fbar(Proj)[,"2014"]
>
>                   An object of class "FLQuant"
>
>                   iters:  10
>
>                   , , unit = unique, season = all, area = unique
>
>                        year
>
>                   age   2014
>
>                     all 0.016914(0)
>
>                   units:  f
>
>               
>
>             ssb(Proj)[,ac(2014:2015)]
>
>                   An object of class "FLQuant"
>
>                   iters:  10
>
>                   , , unit = unique, season = all, area = unique
>
>                        year
>
>                   age   2014      2015
>
>                   all 172983(0) 172983(0)
>
>                   units:  NA
>
>               
>
>               
>
>             and this doesn't work either when the SSB is not constraining (e.g.
>
>             SSB limit so low that it is always achieved). Only if I specify ssb
>
>             as a value inn fwdControl does it compute correctly, but that is not
>
>             the idea, it should be a minimum
>
>               
>
>               
>
>             I have tried several ways around this but cannot find out... Any idea of what is getting wrong?
>
>               
>
>             Thanks in advance,
>
>             Cheers
>
>             Clara
>
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