<html><head><style>body{font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px}</style></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"><div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;">Hi Joe, very glad to hear that `with = FALSE` wasn’t a *real hurdle* :-). </div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;">I think it’s better to follow up / post further thoughts directly here: <a href="https://github.com/Rdatatable/data.table/issues/1188">https://github.com/Rdatatable/data.table/issues/1188</a></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;">I’m less convinced that this would be a positive change at this moment :-(.</div><div><br></div></div> <br> <div id="bloop_sign_1435250369960485888" class="bloop_sign"><div style="font-family:helvetica,arial;font-size:13px">-- <br>Arun</div></div> <br><p class="airmail_on" style="color:#000;">On 25 Jun 2015 at 18:31:56, Joe Matusik (<a href="mailto:jmatusik@leadid.com">jmatusik@leadid.com</a>) wrote:</p> <blockquote type="cite" class="clean_bq"><span><div><div></div><div>
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<div>Sorry for the massively late response, Of all the data.table
hurdles that I had to jump, the 'with = FALSE' issue was one of the
easiest to overcome. Having said that, removing any barriers to
entry for new users without taking away from data.table's superior
functionality is probably never going to be a bad thing. I'd say go
for it. </div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
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<div>Joe</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 4:58 AM, Arunkumar
Srinivasan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aragorn168b@gmail.com" target="_blank">aragorn168b@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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I’ve created an issue here on not having to need “with=FALSE” for
subsetting things the data.frame way: <a href="https://github.com/Rdatatable/data.table/issues/1188" target="_blank">https://github.com/Rdatatable/data.table/issues/1188</a></div>
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It’d be nice to know what others think about this. I believe it’s a
hinderance to new users trying to learn data.table, being
confronted with a difference in the most basic data.frame operation
up-front. And there’s no real harm in doing it.</div>
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Let us know what you think :-)</div>
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<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">-- <br>
Arun</font></span></div>
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