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<div class="PlainText">Hi there, </div>
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<div class="PlainText">differences in results could be explained by large differences in within group diversity, in which case the K-means may struggle to identify the 'right' clusters. One way to check this would be compute e.g. Hs in your different STRUCTURE
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<div class="PlainText">Alternatively, your data might deviate from the model assumptions made by STRUCTURE and lead to sub-optimal cluster definition in the model-based approach. </div>
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<div class="PlainText">It would be useful to look at the data from a different angle: run them through a basic PCA to have an idea of the overall diversity, and also look at hierarchical clustering based on the Euclidean distances between individuals, e.g.:</div>
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<div class="PlainText">h1 = hclust(dist(tab(x, freq=TRUE, NA.method="mean"))^2)</div>
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<div class="PlainText">etc. (check the 'method' argument in hclust)</div>
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<div class="PlainText">As a side note, Fst computed on clusters defined by any reasonable clustering method will always be significant (the testing is circular).</div>
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<div class="PlainText">Best</div>
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<b>To:</b> adegenet-forum@lists.r-forge.r-project.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [adegenet-forum] Different population clusters with DAPC and STRUCTURE<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Dr Jombart and others,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am using DAPC, STRUCTURE and TESS to look at genetic structure across my population (lions), using 20 microsat markers.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The STRUCTURE and TESS results suggest k=2 but with substructuring of k=4. These results make very good ecological sense and have significant Fst.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">When I run find.clusters the suggestion is for either 3 or 4 clusters. DAPC using k=4 gives a very nice output that also makes ecological sense, however the cluster membership is very different to those identified by STRUCTURE analysis.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">DAPC appears to pick up more detail about the substructure in one instance, however it completely removes one cluster identified by STRUCTURE.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Running many different combinations of my data in structure with different settings never removes this additional group, and likewise in DAPC it never appears.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Do you have any suggestions as to what may be causing this and how I can resolve the conflicting results?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">My thought are it may be either because DAPC is not based on genetic models and so is missing some details, or that DAPC is reducing some of the data too much, however I am not knowledgeable enough to really have a strong ideas about the
theory involved.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I hope you are able to suggest some possibilities.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Many thanks for any help that you can provide</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Simon </p>
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